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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/03/automated-pdf-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-19306</link>
		<dc:creator>AlastairC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 12:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those subscribed to this article, I&#039;ve just added an &lt;a href=&quot;/2007/03/automated-pdf-accessibility/#update1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;update&lt;/a&gt; on their current practice.

It pretty much confirms people&#039;s comments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those subscribed to this article, I&#8217;ve just added an <a href="/2007/03/automated-pdf-accessibility/#update1" rel="nofollow">update</a> on their current practice.</p>
<p>It pretty much confirms people&#8217;s comments here.</p>
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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/03/automated-pdf-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-13809</link>
		<dc:creator>AlastairC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 10:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, yes, thanks for that, I&#039;ve just updated it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, yes, thanks for that, I&#8217;ve just updated it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben 'Cerbera' Millard</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/03/automated-pdf-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-13749</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben 'Cerbera' Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 22:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point about the 75% relates to this part of your article:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’d be quite surprised if there were any other accessibility oriented checks, so it actually means 75% might be accessible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Since the report said 75% &lt;em&gt;failed&lt;/em&gt;, surely you mean &quot;25% might be accessible&quot;?

As &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=49746#49746&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I&#039;ve mentioned before&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=49746#49746&quot;&gt;How come the SiteMorse website uses tables for layout? Maybe there&#039;s an accessibility advantage to this I&#039;m not aware of.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m quite happy to say SiteMorse don&#039;t know their own business because of that, the quality of their PDFs and other indicators of incompetence I regularly see from them. Diplomacy be damned! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point about the 75% relates to this part of your article:</p>
<blockquote><p>I’d be quite surprised if there were any other accessibility oriented checks, so it actually means 75% might be accessible.</p></blockquote>
<p>Since the report said 75% <em>failed</em>, surely you mean &#8220;25% might be accessible&#8221;?</p>
<p>As <a href="http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=49746#49746" rel="nofollow">I&#8217;ve mentioned before</a>:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=49746#49746"><p>How come the SiteMorse website uses tables for layout? Maybe there&#8217;s an accessibility advantage to this I&#8217;m not aware of.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m quite happy to say SiteMorse don&#8217;t know their own business because of that, the quality of their PDFs and other indicators of incompetence I regularly see from them. Diplomacy be damned! <img src='http://alastairc.ac/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/03/automated-pdf-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-13482</link>
		<dc:creator>AlastairC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 20:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know what you mean Jack, and I generally steer clear of mentioning companies specifically. 

I was wondering whether to post this, and a friend said &lt;q&gt;For the love of God you have to, for those of us who can&#039;t read inaccessible PDFs.&lt;/q&gt; (And something about Sitemorse I won&#039;t repeat!)

It&#039;s one thing to miss something, like the odd alternative text, or occasional HTML error. It is something else to intentionally prevent accessibility.

Ben, did you mean has not appeared? I couldn&#039;t see anything there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean Jack, and I generally steer clear of mentioning companies specifically. </p>
<p>I was wondering whether to post this, and a friend said <q>For the love of God you have to, for those of us who can&#8217;t read inaccessible PDFs.</q> (And something about Sitemorse I won&#8217;t repeat!)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to miss something, like the odd alternative text, or occasional HTML error. It is something else to intentionally prevent accessibility.</p>
<p>Ben, did you mean has not appeared? I couldn&#8217;t see anything there.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben 'Cerbera' Millard</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/03/automated-pdf-accessibility/comment-page-1/#comment-13460</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben 'Cerbera' Millard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The report says 75% failed, so that means just 25% didn&#039;t fail. These days, SiteMorse do make clear that not failing a SiteMorse test does not mean the thing is accessible. In other words, their tests are a self-confessed waste of time.

Did they ever publish what their PDF accessibility tests actually are? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=49746#49746&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I asked them&lt;/a&gt; on Accessify Forums, along with many others, after they said they published the complete list. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sitemorse.com/guides.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It still has not appeared&lt;/a&gt;, as far as I can tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The report says 75% failed, so that means just 25% didn&#8217;t fail. These days, SiteMorse do make clear that not failing a SiteMorse test does not mean the thing is accessible. In other words, their tests are a self-confessed waste of time.</p>
<p>Did they ever publish what their PDF accessibility tests actually are? <a href="http://www.accessifyforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=49746#49746" rel="nofollow">I asked them</a> on Accessify Forums, along with many others, after they said they published the complete list. <a href="http://www.sitemorse.com/guides.html" rel="nofollow">It still has not appeared</a>, as far as I can tell.</p>
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		<title>By: JackP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JackP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm. Is this do as I say, not as I do? 

I generally try my absolute damndest to be as fair as I possibly can to the SiteMorse chappies, but sometimes it&#039;s hard.

Imagine the purely hypothetical situation of someone criticising another company on AccessifyForum for &quot;every page failing AA&quot;, when that company is really a magazine/news &amp; events site, rather than accessibility experts.

Imagine that the company who make criticisms &lt;strong&gt;do&lt;/strong&gt; claim that they themselves are accessibility experts.

Now imagine that their press releases where they criticise the accessibility of others aren&#039;t in themselves accessible.

In that situation, what &lt;em&gt;precisely&lt;/em&gt; would that do to your opinion of said hypothetical company?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm. Is this do as I say, not as I do? </p>
<p>I generally try my absolute damndest to be as fair as I possibly can to the SiteMorse chappies, but sometimes it&#8217;s hard.</p>
<p>Imagine the purely hypothetical situation of someone criticising another company on AccessifyForum for &#8220;every page failing AA&#8221;, when that company is really a magazine/news &amp; events site, rather than accessibility experts.</p>
<p>Imagine that the company who make criticisms <strong>do</strong> claim that they themselves are accessibility experts.</p>
<p>Now imagine that their press releases where they criticise the accessibility of others aren&#8217;t in themselves accessible.</p>
<p>In that situation, what <em>precisely</em> would that do to your opinion of said hypothetical company?</p>
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