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	<title>Comments on: OpenID and trust</title>
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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/01/openid-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-70019</link>
		<dc:creator>AlastairC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Grok2, 

I do think that not requiring users to need another username &amp; password is sufficient justification for the technology, although others may not.

I also think that (done well) OpenID means the user doesn&#039;t have to type anything else in, as it gives you the option of sending your profile to the requesting site. In many cases your profile has the information needed, although some sites will want other specific items.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Grok2, </p>
<p>I do think that not requiring users to need another username &#038; password is sufficient justification for the technology, although others may not.</p>
<p>I also think that (done well) OpenID means the user doesn&#8217;t have to type anything else in, as it gives you the option of sending your profile to the requesting site. In many cases your profile has the information needed, although some sites will want other specific items.</p>
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		<title>By: Grok2</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/01/openid-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-70017</link>
		<dc:creator>Grok2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OpenID doesn&#039;t really solve anything at all. Almost all sites that use openid, do also require all the additional info they need to maintain your profile or create your account, so they get all the additional info anyway. To me it seems like a complicated way of saving the end-user from having to remember too many passwords. There is no other benefit. And to top it, it&#039;s also confusing to end-users when sites jump back and forth and still collect additional data when they accept openid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OpenID doesn&#8217;t really solve anything at all. Almost all sites that use openid, do also require all the additional info they need to maintain your profile or create your account, so they get all the additional info anyway. To me it seems like a complicated way of saving the end-user from having to remember too many passwords. There is no other benefit. And to top it, it&#8217;s also confusing to end-users when sites jump back and forth and still collect additional data when they accept openid.</p>
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		<title>By: Can VRM answer the OpenID trust question? &#171; Rich Marr&#8217;s Tech Blog</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/01/openid-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-41930</link>
		<dc:creator>Can VRM answer the OpenID trust question? &#171; Rich Marr&#8217;s Tech Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 16:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the ability for a user to prove that they &#8220;own&#8221; a particular URL. What it does not do (another commentary) is verify that the URL in question is in any way trustworthy. Nor does it really verify that the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the ability for a user to prove that they &#8220;own&#8221; a particular URL. What it does not do (another commentary) is verify that the URL in question is in any way trustworthy. Nor does it really verify that the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/01/openid-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-19573</link>
		<dc:creator>AlastairC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Daniel, I wasn&#039;t taking away from what OpenID is about, it&#039;s just that I (and a few other people) hadn&#039;t really understood that it wasn&#039;t trying to be a trust mechanism.

I&#039;m not sure that OpenID makes it &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; easier for sites to implement preferences, apart from not having to create usernames &amp; passwords you still have to implment the preferences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Daniel, I wasn&#8217;t taking away from what OpenID is about, it&#8217;s just that I (and a few other people) hadn&#8217;t really understood that it wasn&#8217;t trying to be a trust mechanism.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that OpenID makes it <em>much</em> easier for sites to implement preferences, apart from not having to create usernames &#038; passwords you still have to implment the preferences.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Aleksandersen</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/01/openid-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-19550</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Aleksandersen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the advantages of &lt;em&gt;OpenID&lt;/em&gt; is that users does not need to give their personal information to every single website. You have one [trusted] provider and the rest will just have to settle for less information about you.

It is also an excellent way to create user accounts (really!) for simple website preferences. (As you will not have to manage the accounts.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the advantages of <em>OpenID</em> is that users does not need to give their personal information to every single website. You have one [trusted] provider and the rest will just have to settle for less information about you.</p>
<p>It is also an excellent way to create user accounts (really!) for simple website preferences. (As you will not have to manage the accounts.)</p>
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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/01/openid-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-10859</link>
		<dc:creator>AlastairC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 23:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clearing that up guys, I think I was hoping for too much too soon!

Simon: I&#039;d &lt;a href=&quot;http://alastairc.ac/2006/12/why-does-google-use-captcha/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;prefer if CAPTCHA was dropped&lt;/a&gt;, although at least with OpenID you&#039;d only have to enter it once.

codemac: You could be onto something there, you might not even need to build it into the blog: Akismet could report any spam from someone using OpenID to the provider.
You might have to only accept people from the main provider(s) though, otherwise spammers could just use their own servers.

I&#039;m not sure that a PGP/GPG structure would restrict it to people you know?

Ideally, I&#039;d want to have a public/private key setup, with my public key published on my web site (in a link-rel), or through a provider.
When I enter a comment or login, you provide the URL. Somehow, (no idea how!) your browser would confirm that you are the owner of the key, getting you to type in your password once per session.

I&#039;m not sure that would increase the trust level at all, but it just seems more &#039;mine&#039; than something like OpenID.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing that up guys, I think I was hoping for too much too soon!</p>
<p>Simon: I&#8217;d <a href="http://alastairc.ac/2006/12/why-does-google-use-captcha/" rel="nofollow">prefer if CAPTCHA was dropped</a>, although at least with OpenID you&#8217;d only have to enter it once.</p>
<p>codemac: You could be onto something there, you might not even need to build it into the blog: Akismet could report any spam from someone using OpenID to the provider.<br />
You might have to only accept people from the main provider(s) though, otherwise spammers could just use their own servers.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that a PGP/GPG structure would restrict it to people you know?</p>
<p>Ideally, I&#8217;d want to have a public/private key setup, with my public key published on my web site (in a link-rel), or through a provider.<br />
When I enter a comment or login, you provide the URL. Somehow, (no idea how!) your browser would confirm that you are the owner of the key, getting you to type in your password once per session.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that would increase the trust level at all, but it just seems more &#8216;mine&#8217; than something like OpenID.</p>
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		<title>By: codemac</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/01/openid-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-10843</link>
		<dc:creator>codemac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A PGP/GPG trust structure could be created, but in general those are not used as I want people I don&#039;t know commenting on my blog.

The clear answer is akismet + reporting to places like myopenid.com.  You can easily ban their openid providers if they are completely spam, and I&#039;m sure myopenid and others would keep a banlist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A PGP/GPG trust structure could be created, but in general those are not used as I want people I don&#8217;t know commenting on my blog.</p>
<p>The clear answer is akismet + reporting to places like myopenid.com.  You can easily ban their openid providers if they are completely spam, and I&#8217;m sure myopenid and others would keep a banlist.</p>
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		<title>By: Papierloos</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/01/openid-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-10818</link>
		<dc:creator>Papierloos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Jan 2007 08:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree on the trust level. The people of openid themselves always state that they do not implement a trust scheme... There are some developments about the trust level. Take a look at: http://daveman692.livejournal.com/284934.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree on the trust level. The people of openid themselves always state that they do not implement a trust scheme&#8230; There are some developments about the trust level. Take a look at: <a href="http://daveman692.livejournal.com/284934.html" rel="nofollow">http://daveman692.livejournal.com/284934.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Simon Willison</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2007/01/openid-and-trust/comment-page-1/#comment-10792</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Willison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Jan 2007 22:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing stops spammers from creating hundreds of accounts - and that&#039;s fine, because you should never trust that an OpenID account is a real person and not a robot or spammer. You can still ask someone who has logged in with an OpenID to pass a CAPTCHA, or to provide e-mail for an extra verification step. All OpenID does is replace usernames/passwords as the authentication step.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing stops spammers from creating hundreds of accounts &#8211; and that&#8217;s fine, because you should never trust that an OpenID account is a real person and not a robot or spammer. You can still ask someone who has logged in with an OpenID to pass a CAPTCHA, or to provide e-mail for an extra verification step. All OpenID does is replace usernames/passwords as the authentication step.</p>
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