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	<title>Comments on: Accessible layouts</title>
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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/accessible-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-16848</link>
		<dc:creator>AlastairC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 13:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roger, assuming that you are stuck with that CMS, and can&#039;t update the templates, I would base the selection on the &lt;a href=&quot;#what-to-test&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;testing criteria&lt;/a&gt; above.

If it is fairly &#039;spaceous&#039;, and reacts well to browser-text resizing it should be ok.

Unless you can push the users towards Opera, in which case they will have a better time online in general...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger, assuming that you are stuck with that CMS, and can&#8217;t update the templates, I would base the selection on the <a href="#what-to-test" rel="nofollow">testing criteria</a> above.</p>
<p>If it is fairly &#8217;spaceous&#8217;, and reacts well to browser-text resizing it should be ok.</p>
<p>Unless you can push the users towards Opera, in which case they will have a better time online in general&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: roger</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/accessible-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-16841</link>
		<dc:creator>roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 10:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am doing a site for a charity (older people) and we want to use Joomla! CMS. This article shows up a real problem for us beacause as far as I know there is no template for CMSS that are elastic or meet many of these requirements. Any pointers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am doing a site for a charity (older people) and we want to use Joomla! CMS. This article shows up a real problem for us beacause as far as I know there is no template for CMSS that are elastic or meet many of these requirements. Any pointers?</p>
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		<title>By: WCAG Samurai Errata Review &#171; WCAG Samurai Peer Review</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/accessible-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-16549</link>
		<dc:creator>WCAG Samurai Errata Review &#171; WCAG Samurai Peer Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 06:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] took my comments on board? (Well, partially.) I have a feeling that the best approach is really a testing process rather than a guideline, as there are too many [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] took my comments on board? (Well, partially.) I have a feeling that the best approach is really a testing process rather than a guideline, as there are too many [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/accessible-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-13935</link>
		<dc:creator>AlastairC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matthew,

If you have a look at the source code, you&#039;ll see I bring in an &lt;a href=&quot;http://alastairc.ac/wp-content/themes/alastairc/ie6.css&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;IE &lt; 7 style sheet&lt;/a&gt;. Since the expressions for IE are not valid CSS, they are brought in with IE conditional comments, to avoid conflicts with other browsers.

This then uses a similar method to svendtofte&#039;s, but not using EMs, as that doesn&#039;t work if you set the font size (as most sites do!).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew,</p>
<p>If you have a look at the source code, you&#8217;ll see I bring in an <a href="http://alastairc.ac/wp-content/themes/alastairc/ie6.css" rel="nofollow">IE < 7 style sheet</a>. Since the expressions for IE are not valid CSS, they are brought in with IE conditional comments, to avoid conflicts with other browsers.</p>
<p>This then uses a similar method to svendtofte&#8217;s, but not using EMs, as that doesn&#8217;t work if you set the font size (as most sites do!).</a></p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Bowden</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/accessible-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-13934</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew Bowden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article. I&#039;m hear after reading your article from .Net magazine which was also very interesting.

I&#039;ve always used the &#039;svendtofte&#039; method for max width and then customised it for a min width:

http://digitallyrefreshing.com/2006/09/29/too-wide-too-narrow/

But how are you implementing your  max/min widths for IE6 on this site?

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article. I&#8217;m hear after reading your article from .Net magazine which was also very interesting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always used the &#8217;svendtofte&#8217; method for max width and then customised it for a min width:</p>
<p><a href="http://digitallyrefreshing.com/2006/09/29/too-wide-too-narrow/" rel="nofollow">http://digitallyrefreshing.com/2006/09/29/too-wide-too-narrow/</a></p>
<p>But how are you implementing your  max/min widths for IE6 on this site?</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Emma</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/accessible-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-8986</link>
		<dc:creator>Emma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, cool article.  I&#039;m in the process of redesigning my site and I think I&#039;ve now decided on an elastic layout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, cool article.  I&#8217;m in the process of redesigning my site and I think I&#8217;ve now decided on an elastic layout.</p>
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		<title>By: AlastairC</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/accessible-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>AlastairC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Scott,

Yep, there is too much margin around the header image in Opera 8.5x. I&#039;ve been meaning to do a test case, IE7 doesn&#039;t get it right either.

Part of the problem is that Opera 9 beta renders it the same as Firefox... and I don&#039;t know of a (valid) way to differentiate between Opera 8 &amp; 9. As I said here:
http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/conditional-comments-in-css/

There does need to be a way...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Scott,</p>
<p>Yep, there is too much margin around the header image in Opera 8.5x. I&#8217;ve been meaning to do a test case, IE7 doesn&#8217;t get it right either.</p>
<p>Part of the problem is that Opera 9 beta renders it the same as Firefox&#8230; and I don&#8217;t know of a (valid) way to differentiate between Opera 8 &#038; 9. As I said here:<br />
<a href="http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/conditional-comments-in-css/" rel="nofollow">http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/conditional-comments-in-css/</a></p>
<p>There does need to be a way&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/accessible-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, just came across this article and your page doesn&#039;t correct in Opera 8.54. It looks fine in Firefox 1.5 though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, just came across this article and your page doesn&#8217;t correct in Opera 8.54. It looks fine in Firefox 1.5 though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Smith</title>
		<link>http://alastairc.ac/2006/05/accessible-layouts/comment-page-1/#comment-5</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 22:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.  I work for Florida Blind Services and am currently transforming my pages to xhtml and a tableless format.  Your article helps support info I know but can&#039;t enumerate! Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.  I work for Florida Blind Services and am currently transforming my pages to xhtml and a tableless format.  Your article helps support info I know but can&#8217;t enumerate! Thanks.</p>
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